tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post7924950025782059286..comments2023-12-25T23:40:17.701-05:00Comments on Confessions of a Carioca: Christian or Christ Follower?Daniel Martinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-40797759291147299352010-08-01T10:39:05.042-04:002010-08-01T10:39:05.042-04:00"Just as the original was set up to make a Ma..."Just as the original was set up to make a Macintosh computer much more attractive than a PC, so the imitative spoof was set up to make being a "Christ follower" decidedly superior to being a "Christian." Truer words you won't find on the internet.Cammie Novarahttp://intelligentdesignfacts.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-47153698009729099192010-07-22T15:46:07.575-04:002010-07-22T15:46:07.575-04:00David, I certainly concur that we ought not to abs...David, I certainly concur that we ought not to abstain from all criticism of tradition. But our critique must be deferential, which is to say that it is engaged in humbly by those who know themselves to be within that tradition, not "objective" outsiders. Valid critique is also dynamic and dialectical.Daniel Martinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-60310440504233140642010-07-22T15:09:51.906-04:002010-07-22T15:09:51.906-04:00I know you're on vacation, Dan, but I still wa...I know you're on vacation, Dan, but I still want to commend you (for the record). You've come up with a fresh and memorable way of making the essential point that we can't safely leapfrog over all the (messy) centuries of church history between Christ and ourselves. And you're right that we Americans are peculiarly prone to fall for the notion that we can somehow recreate a pristine, "New Testament" Christianity unspoiled by later human traditions.<br /><br />The New England Puritans thought they could start from scratch, and failed. Likewise the "restorationist" followers of Alexander Campbell in the mid 1800s, and the early Pentecostals in the early 1900s. Or the "Jesus People" in the 1960s and 70s.<br /><br />But all analogies have their limitations. And the PC vs. Mac one breaks down when pushed to the point that we're assumed to have only two options: take all of church history (uncritically) or leave it behind; all or nothing.<br /><br />Surely, there has got to be a Via Media option?David Handy+noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-71537313252678676262010-07-18T21:51:36.170-04:002010-07-18T21:51:36.170-04:00As an Episcopal lay person, I'd just like to a...As an Episcopal lay person, I'd just like to ask: If Fr. Keese is saying that God inhabits him (and us) as fully as he inhabited Jesus, isn't he either claiming that we are all divine, or that Jesus wasn't divine? And if Jesus wasn't divine, what's the point of celebrating the Eucharist on Sunday morning?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-3938526708572357672010-07-17T22:30:29.713-04:002010-07-17T22:30:29.713-04:00Your point is well taken. Unlike what I suspect wa...Your point is well taken. Unlike what I suspect was the custom at the time, Jesus did not simply take one disciple or apprentice, I called twelve to follow him, together. There has thus <b>never</b> been an individual Christ-follower: we all follow Christ in community. Which means that we not only have to deal with WWJD but with all of the other fallible and flawed co-followers of Christ.Tom Sramek, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17891982131922786298noreply@blogger.com