tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post8192469305975769348..comments2023-12-25T23:40:17.701-05:00Comments on Confessions of a Carioca: Spelunking in the Hymnal 1940Daniel Martinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-43322213660504507212010-11-17T16:53:49.788-05:002010-11-17T16:53:49.788-05:00Spelunking a little further into the Lorica of St....Spelunking a little further into the Lorica of St. Patrick turns up that there are some verses that usually get left out,<br /><br />"Against the demon snares of sin, <br />the vice that gives temptation force, <br />the natural lusts that war within, <br />the hostile men that mar my course; <br />of few or many, far or nigh, <br />in every place, and in all hours <br />against their fierce hostility, <br />I bind to me these holy powers. <br /><br />Against all Satan's spells and wiles, <br />against false words of heresy, <br />against the knowledge that defiles <br />against the heart's idolatry, <br />against the wizard's evil craft, <br />against the death-wound and the burning <br />the choking wave and poisoned shaft, <br />protect me, Christ, till thy returning."Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-50268708032069315992010-11-17T16:50:30.515-05:002010-11-17T16:50:30.515-05:00Laura, my condolences on your mother's passing...Laura, my condolences on your mother's passing. St Patrick's Breastplate most assuredly IS in the Hymnal 1982--#370.Daniel Martinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-53051345098959964852010-11-17T16:45:12.735-05:002010-11-17T16:45:12.735-05:00I know I'm late to this discussion, but have f...I know I'm late to this discussion, but have found it helpful. Thanks.<br /><br />My my mother died last week. It has fallen to me, a lapsed Episcopalian who also loved many of the hymns in the 1940 Hymnal, to choose the songs for her memorial.<br /><br />I was dismayed to find that the 1982 version does not seem to have "I bind unto myself today" from St. Patrick's Breastplate. It was the one song I was sure she wanted sung at her service, and I am now trying to find a suitable replacement that is not too Rod McKuen-esque!<br /><br />LauraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-36512494890031066802010-09-23T19:00:50.577-04:002010-09-23T19:00:50.577-04:00I learned to sing with the 1940 hymnal as a choirb...I learned to sing with the 1940 hymnal as a choirboy and I still miss it. Why did they have to remove "God That Madest Earth and Heaven" (Ar Hyd Y Nos)? That was a classic of many an Evensong of my youth. We used to sing a descant composed by Gerre Hancock of St. Thomas NYC to it. Sad that's gone.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11347112861322530912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-26432414799930608862010-07-22T15:54:53.482-04:002010-07-22T15:54:53.482-04:00Yes, I'm a "Westmonster." And I grew...Yes, I'm a "Westmonster." And I grew up in DuPage County, IL. Go figure.Daniel Martinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-6213781566285378162010-07-22T15:28:13.505-04:002010-07-22T15:28:13.505-04:00Of all the controversial topics that divide the Ch...Of all the controversial topics that divide the Church, I know of none that whip up such a fury of passionate debate and strife as preferred music styles. I too like some of the grand old hymns in the 1940 hymnal that disappeared in the 1982 version, but I'm also glad for much that was added, such as "Lift High the Cross" or the many Gregorian/plainsong chants added.<br /><br />Biblically, the only guidance we seem to get from the NT is that we should sing "psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs" (Col. 3:16//Eph. 5:19), which apparently refers to three different styles of music (chanted psalms, hymns, and improvised songs). IOW, variety may not only be pastorally wise, but actually biblically commanded.<br /><br />And Dan, I'm glad to discover that you're a Westmont grad. Somehow, I'd missed that detail in your bio. As a Wheaton grad, I doff my hat to recognize you as a grad of the "Wheaton of the West."David Handy+noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-48017762892681604162010-06-29T19:09:43.902-04:002010-06-29T19:09:43.902-04:00Fr. Dan,
"In fact, compared with what's c...Fr. Dan,<br />"In fact, compared with what's coming down the pike, '79 is a paragon of poetic orthodoxy" Would you be referring to this? http://www.episcopalchurch.org/81831_123181_ENG_HTM.htm.<br />Are you any closer to that tipping point?Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-30339477099892927212010-06-29T11:49:10.862-04:002010-06-29T11:49:10.862-04:00Just last week, as I cleaned out my parent's o...Just last week, as I cleaned out my parent's old home, I rescued the old family 1940 Hymnal from a trip to be donated to a charity book sale. The first Hymns I read brought back memories, and they were refreshing in a way. Lots of good stuff in there.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-18569330924976129812010-06-27T20:42:00.660-04:002010-06-27T20:42:00.660-04:00We don't sing about Jesus's bosom too much...We don't sing about Jesus's bosom too much any more, either. ("Jesus lover of my soul, let me to thy bosom fly while the nearer waters roll, while the tempest still is high.")<br /><br />As one who grew up with the 1940 Hymnal, I often find myself wishing for the older translations of some hymns. "I know a rose tree springing forth from an ancient root... That rose tree, blossom-laden, whereof Isaiah spake, is Mary, spotless maiden, who mothered for our sake" and so on. I think in the newer version Jesus is the rose tree. It may be a more accurate translation of the original text, but it isn't what I learned by heart, once upon a time.<br /><br />Consider the changes in Jerusalem My Happy Home. Our Lady still sings Magnificat, but she no longer has virgins bearig their part gathered around her feet. Instead, martyrs are singing harmony in the streets. Again, still lovely, but I wonder what motivated the change. <br /><br />Of course there are wonderful additions in the 1982 Hymnal, too. "This is the feast of victory for our God" and "I want to walk as a child of the light" and "this joyful eastertide" and "from deepest woe I cry to thee."<br /><br />Maybe it's just my bias as a long-time choir member, but I think that singing the hymns in our hymnal (either 1940 or 1982) over and over through a lifetime has given me a great gift: when the scriptures are read on Sunday morning or on a great feast, I often find the words resonating to a tune I know by heart. There are worse ways to learn the Faith.Allison Elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08127584096174430464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-49903826602919209002010-06-27T10:00:19.029-04:002010-06-27T10:00:19.029-04:00It is a 19th-Century Unitarian hymn.It is a 19th-Century Unitarian hymn.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-28805097802470576082010-06-26T22:11:48.962-04:002010-06-26T22:11:48.962-04:00Rod McKuen. Now there's a name I haven't h...Rod McKuen. Now there's a name I haven't heard in ... decades. My wife was once a fan of his. But I'm afraid I don't see much of his influence in the 1979 BCP. In fact, compared with what's coming down the pike, '79 is a paragon of poetic orthodoxy! As for "Once to every man and nation," I'm afraid I have to concur with Eric. It's stirring poetry, and the tune is wonderful. But the theology is, at best, sub-Christian. The line "time makes ancient good uncouth" is the underpinning of the sort of liberal Protestantism that has gotten the Episcopal Church into so much trouble. Axing it was a good call, though, sadly, we haven't been able to ax the theology it represents.Daniel Martinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-73403496786785973602010-06-26T20:36:09.340-04:002010-06-26T20:36:09.340-04:00Dear zir,
If they really did "luv Jazzus,&quo...Dear zir,<br />If they really did "luv Jazzus," I would let them hug me. I might even flex my knees in a sympathetic attempt at a bunny hop.<br /><br />It is not orthodox to be merely antiquarian - a point essentially conceded at several points in this fine essay.<br />Moreover, "Once to every man and nation" is an odd choice of hymn to defend, since that particular hymn really did need to go. It has no discernable Christian message at all, unlike the fine hymns noted above.<br />ericfromnewyorkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-37175017749905093882010-06-26T19:27:42.031-04:002010-06-26T19:27:42.031-04:00Not only did we destroy the greatest church servic...Not only did we destroy the greatest church service in western Christendom when we adopted the Rod McKuen style of poetry in the BCP 1979; we also made haste to butcher the Hymnal 1940 - the HOB couldn't wait to remove my favorite hymn: Once to Every Man and Nation. ***Proud to have left the Episcopal Church (along with my money) when we became a bunny-hopping hugging "I luv Jazzus" denomination in 1979***zlr;dpnoreply@blogger.com