tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post2121477792170752549..comments2023-12-25T23:40:17.701-05:00Comments on Confessions of a Carioca: ConsentDaniel Martinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-27778382179600898832011-01-06T01:50:37.096-05:002011-01-06T01:50:37.096-05:00Bishop Lamb's phone call to you Fr. Dan is so ...Bishop Lamb's phone call to you Fr. Dan is so indicative of the incredible professionalism and compassion that Bishop Lamb has shown over and over again. I have read the documents, and although you changed your mind, you did give some clear indications that you stood with Bishop Schofield when it it was obvious to everyone what he was attempting to do. You at least need answer to that, and simply because you changed your mind doesn't let you off untarnished. You are seeking the highest ordained office in the church, and everything you said, did or thought is an open book. Perhaps in addition to defending your actions which came late in the process, you might also ask your fellow Episcopalians on Standing Committees throughout the various diocese for forgiveness with the promise of repentence and amendment of life. Even then, I would have to think twice before giving consent. Loyalty begins at the beginning.Anonymoushttp://(optional)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-37116150205464557612010-11-03T19:04:42.898-04:002010-11-03T19:04:42.898-04:00Dan,
As painful as it is, I rather suspect it is ...Dan,<br /><br />As painful as it is, I rather suspect it is for the best that the Provisional Bishop and the Standing Committee of San Joaquin have proceeded in this manner.<br /><br />First, their complaint(?) against you is stated in a publicly available document, rather than in a whisper campaign.<br /><br />Second, they provide what they consider to be the best evidence available to support their complaint(?).<br /><br />On reading their package of information, I believe that they effectively made a primae facie case that needed to be answered. I do not believe that they made the case "beyond all reasonable doubt."<br /><br />The fact that they produced their complaint and their evidence publicly has allowed you to offer a defence (apologia) for your actions. It has also allowed several progressives and moderates who, while disagreeing with you on significant issues, profoundly respect your integrity, to publicly express that vote of confidence.<br /><br />Frankly, as ugly as it is and as personally trying as I suspect it would be, this is probably the best possible way for this to have worked it's way through.<br /><br />I was relating the latest events to your classmate yesterday, and he referred to your irreproachable integrity. That has been my experience of you during our limited cyber-acquaintance. Clearly that is also the experience of many (though not all) of my fellow travellers on the Anglican left.<br /><br />Now, it's in God's hands.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-82447041027141900722010-11-02T16:07:40.142-04:002010-11-02T16:07:40.142-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Lin Goldstonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-15425410940491249422010-11-02T11:31:37.950-04:002010-11-02T11:31:37.950-04:00I'm quite taken aback at the hypocrisy of the ...I'm quite taken aback at the hypocrisy of the National Church. This is power being exercised as an instrument of oppression.<br /><br />The National Church is showing itself to be the evil organization it is. +Lamb is voicing these concerns as +KJS's puppet.<br /><br />My guess: she's doing this as a show of power and also as an opportunity to show the orthodox that she can be generous - by taking something away and then giving it back. Still, it's a draconian way of showing generosity.<br /><br />Everyone should know by know that people who love Jesus - straight or gay - don't belong in TEC unless they're prepared to fight the National Church and suffer in doing so.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-11916033549249679992010-11-01T21:12:05.828-04:002010-11-01T21:12:05.828-04:00Fr. Dan,
I have read the December 2006 e-mail pos...Fr. Dan,<br /><br />I have read the December 2006 e-mail posted on the diocesan website and it does not seem to have been written by someone who opposed secession. Although I don't have a hand in the confirmation process and tend to agree with Mark Harris that you should be confirmed, I think further explanation of this e-mail would be helpful.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-14980585944228702262010-11-01T17:04:08.845-04:002010-11-01T17:04:08.845-04:00Hard to say whom Bp. Lamb more closely resembles: ...Hard to say whom Bp. Lamb more closely resembles: a Pharisee who strained gnats and swallowed camels---or some figure from Greek tragedy whose actions only hasten his own doom.<br /><br />Here's Lamb in a church beset by grievous heresy; a dwindling church ashamed of evangelism; a church increasingly devoted to lawsuits.<br /><br />And what does Lamb do? He goes after Fr. Martins. <br /><br />Lamb's Little Purge is as misguided as it is self-defeating.<br /><br />---IrenaeusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-11709225122003496202010-11-01T15:40:18.061-04:002010-11-01T15:40:18.061-04:00As a loyal friend of Fr. Dan Martins and as a kibi...As a loyal friend of Fr. Dan Martins and as a kibitzer on the HoBD list serve I have been heartbroken at the comments made by Christian men and women against this man. My husband and I attended St. John the Evangelist Church in Stockton during 10 of Fr. Dan’s 13 years there and during that time we all became friends. <br />Fr. Dan was always supportive of his Bishop until the time came for the Diocese to make a decision to pull away from TEC. It was not a decision that Fr. Dan could possibly agree with and he made the decision to remove himself from the Diocese rather than outright disagree with his Bishop, especially when it was evident that the majority of clergy and laity were sticking with the Bishop. I sat in Vestry meetings where Fr. Dan counseled the Vestry that to leave was not a wise decision. <br />As a result of his decision to stay committed to TEC, Fr. Dan lost many of the relationships he had enjoyed with both the clergy of the Diocese and the members of St. John’s. I know it was not an easy decision for him to make but it was obviously the right decision for God has blessed him in his ministry in Warsaw, Indiana and with his election to be the next Bishop of Springfield. <br />TEC needs Bishops like Dan Martins. What a totally boring church TEC would be if everyone just thought the same about everything! Fr. Dan has answered all of the questions posed to him with grace and humility many times over. He is a man of great integrity. If he says he will not take the Diocese of Springfield out of TEC he should be believed. To continue to ask him “what if” questions is incredibly unfair. The Diocese of Springfield will be blessed to have this man for their Bishop and TEC will be blessed to have his voice! He deserves to be treated with the same grace and respect he has shown.<br />Deacon Lee Johnson, St. Mary the Virgin, MantecaMousie and Christy's Mommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595517381476147580noreply@blogger.com