tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post3797113871006430880..comments2023-12-25T23:40:17.701-05:00Comments on Confessions of a Carioca: An Aftershock in the MakingDaniel Martinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-65868110099061620992009-03-06T08:26:00.000-05:002009-03-06T08:26:00.000-05:00Fr. Dan,"That canon allows for 'other versions of ...Fr. Dan,<BR/>"That canon allows for 'other versions of the Bible, including those in languages other than English, which shall be authorized by diocesan bishops for specific use in congregations or ministries within their dioceses.' "<BR/>So, his mistake was that he innovated prematurely. Had he but waited, he could have pulled this off as a Bishop without notice.<BR/>I know how much the Prayerbook means to you Father Dan. Breaking the rubrics is the unpardonable sin. If I understand you correctly, being an ordained Buddhist is less a problem for you. " I would, all things being equal, be willing to give Fr Thew Forrester the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he is up to nothing more sinister than were those Zen-meditating Trappist monks I visited in Oregon back in the 1980s." TEC Bishops are not monks, they are charged to guard the church against false doctrine. You are saying that his Liturgical innovations are against TEC Canon. It goes way beyond that. Dcn DaleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-24720636047397061922009-03-05T14:00:00.000-05:002009-03-05T14:00:00.000-05:00The charge about the bishop-elect being a Buddhist...The charge about the bishop-elect being a Buddhist and not a Christian is just the same old hatemongering dishonesty that too often "informs" these debates.<BR/><BR/>The process by which the bishop-elect was chosen is a legitimate matter for discussion and concern. His liturgical antinomianism is certainly an issue - though how serious an issue theologically it is difficult to tell with any certainty.<BR/><BR/>So, there are reasons to question the propriety of confirming this episcopal election.<BR/><BR/>The Buddhist bumph from George Conger is simply what I've come to expect from George Conger - 2/3 poor journalism and 1/3 axe to grind.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-74157539273674750662009-03-04T15:43:00.000-05:002009-03-04T15:43:00.000-05:00Fr Martins,Thank you-- I consider my question answ...Fr Martins,<BR/><BR/>Thank you-- I consider my question answered.<BR/><BR/>TLF+,<BR/><BR/>Peace to you and yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-23833670824326489772009-03-04T15:38:00.000-05:002009-03-04T15:38:00.000-05:00An important, if imprecise, distinction would be d...An important, if imprecise, distinction would be drawing on other traditions to inform a basically Christian view of things vs the reverse or some sort of idiosyncratic syncretistic mash. From my admittedly limited following of this story, my concern is that the bishop elect (bishop appointed) tends toward the last of these.<BR/><BR/>Adapting the Common Prayers to suit the idiosyncratic follows.Matt Gunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11230570081324464033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-39052723244294258612009-03-04T14:51:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:51:00.000-05:00TLF+ provides a good answer to the questions posed...TLF+ provides a good answer to the questions posed by marketsquare, IMO. My objection is both to the content and the liberties taken in their use. As Canon McMichael said in the TLC article, liturgy is not a vehicle for self-expression, it is something to which we give ourselves. A bishop is, among other things, a steward of the Church's liturgy. I have a sense that Kevin Thew Forrester would take it down to the pawn shop ASAP after consecration. Some stewardship that would be.Daniel Martinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-66271877072254554922009-03-04T14:17:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:17:00.000-05:00marketsquare: How are the Canons "above your pay g...marketsquare: How are the Canons "above your pay grade"? They are manifestly clear about what versions of the Bible are approved for use in TEC services. They are clear about approved liturgies, and the limits of discretion.<BR/><BR/>TEC keeps arguing for its "unique polity" and then declares its polity incomprehensible any time there is a question.<BR/><BR/>And what to make of your question, separating the content of the texts and the canons that authorize use? That makes no sense at all. The canons authorize certain texts <I> precisely </I> to ensure the use of certain language.<BR/><BR/>Is it any wonder that folks look at TEC, in Fr. Dan's words, as "deranged"?TLF+https://www.blogger.com/profile/01650010433581488888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-35344180515586866592009-03-04T10:09:00.000-05:002009-03-04T10:09:00.000-05:00I read the TLC article you linked. The liturgical...I read the TLC article you linked. The liturgical texts quoted are rather overcooked theologically, and I'm never thrilled to see the Creed pointedly overlooked-- but for all that, I'm not sure the Creed is violated here either. (The canons are another matter, and above my pay grade.)<BR/><BR/>Is your objection primarily to the content of the texts, or the liberties taken in their use?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com