tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post6699408676515126444..comments2023-12-25T23:40:17.701-05:00Comments on Confessions of a Carioca: Making Do With GAFCONDaniel Martinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-36014084148696350782008-06-26T19:42:00.000-04:002008-06-26T19:42:00.000-04:00From another marginalized Anglo-Catholic, Fr Dan, ...From another marginalized Anglo-Catholic, Fr Dan, well put (as usual). Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Just to set the record straight: ++Anis is fully in sympathy with GAFCon, though he would have preferred it <I>after</I> Lambeth and somewhere other than Jerusalem. He didn't attend not because of any disapproval but because of the political situation of Christians (particularly Copts) in Egypt vis-a-vis Israel.Craig Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17599485715178418928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-8252060428325338422008-06-23T23:50:00.000-04:002008-06-23T23:50:00.000-04:00Where (oh where) do we sign in to become included ...Where (oh where) do we sign in to become included in the client/blogger daily double? I'd love a ticket (round trip por favor) to Jerusalem but it appears next week might be best.Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-67752944152486576652008-06-23T16:47:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:47:00.000-04:00cany: Since the charge of lying has come up, I th...cany: Since the charge of lying has come up, I think that some clarifications should be made.<BR/><BR/>1. Despite Fr. Jake's claim that the proposed Nigerian legislation called for the "incarceration of all gays in Nigeria", a quick glance of the actual legislation reveals that this is simply not true. While I would not agree with the proposed legislation, it most certainly did not call for the imprisonment of all gays in Nigeria. In the context of political advocacy for same-sex marriage, it prohibited public displays of same-sex affection. The obvious target of the legislation was political advocacy of the normalization of homosexuality rather than homosexuals themselves.<BR/><BR/>2. Akinola's support of this legislation is via a letter in which he states his support of the bill in that it prohibits "same sex relationships" (the context of the bill suggests that this refers to legally recognized same-sex relatinships) and because the bill preserves Nigeria's existing prohibition of homosexuality.<BR/><BR/>Any fair reading and analysis of the Nigerian legislation and Akinola's response to it, leads one to the conclusion that the legislation sought to prevent the advocacy of homosexuality and officially recognized same-sex relationships in Nigeria and the Church of Nigeria supported the legislation for this purpose. I would oppose this sort of legislation (as I oppose the sort of legal tactics employed by homosexual-rights campaigners in Canada and elsewhere to silence critics), but let's be honest about what the legislation actually says and what Akinola's response to it was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-76492635612524558062008-06-23T14:00:00.000-04:002008-06-23T14:00:00.000-04:00Dan: 1. Well, there may not be an entire 'cabal'...Dan: <BR/><BR/>1. Well, there may not be an entire 'cabal' of liars, but there are a couple.<BR/><BR/>As Fr. Jake Points out, Akinola seems to have forgotten about his advocation of jailing gays and lesbians in HIS country of Nigeria. Mmmm. One would think one would remember that, no? Even when Akinola's supporters opined that he didn't support it, well... his signature is at the bottom of the page on two separate letters of support for the legislation. Does he, then, have a reading and comprehension problem (which might explain a lot of things, actually)?<BR/><BR/>BTW, it is interesting that in his talk, Akinola referred to gays in two separate ways... one semi-respectful, and the other in such a way as to tie them with pedophiles and child abusers. Mmm. Do you think Duncan just missed that when either editing his talk or, in fact, made a mistake when writing it?Canyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14737285360280766111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-40153604872518755552008-06-23T13:54:00.000-04:002008-06-23T13:54:00.000-04:00Dan: Great statement, even if it smarts - don't a...Dan: Great statement, even if it smarts - don't ask for whom the paddle smarts, it smarts for all.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-91632111515542469722008-06-23T11:58:00.000-04:002008-06-23T11:58:00.000-04:00Father Dan certainly has a clue! His call to quit ...Father Dan certainly has a clue! His call to quit demonizing should be heeded by all the orthodox. "More than half" versus "three fourths". Whatever. <BR/><BR/>The leaders of GAFCon are being gracious with those who disagree with them (Akinola, when asked whether Rowan Williams was an apostate, stated "No, he is a brother but that I disagree with some of the decisions he has made.")<BR/><BR/>Like it or not, there is a real possibility that emerging GAFCon Communion within the current Anglican Federation is the future. I would like Anglo-catholic voice to be heard in these forums and I believe that the organizers would be gracious and listen respectfully. Public resignations like Ephraim+'s from the ACN or +Mouneer Anis' from GAFCon don't further the anglo-catholic cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-90581878978221707882008-06-23T11:27:00.000-04:002008-06-23T11:27:00.000-04:00Funny how well over 3/4's of the world's anglicans...Funny how well over 3/4's of the world's anglicans (not just half Dan) are not listening to the Listening process any more.<BR/><BR/>Get a clue Dan. The sound you hear is the dust being shaken from the World's sandal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-14088581599792849712008-06-23T10:54:00.000-04:002008-06-23T10:54:00.000-04:00I have been "praying hopefully," and will continue...I have been "praying hopefully," and will continue to do so. <BR/><BR/>The thing is, I am not convinced that at least some of the leadership in that crowd are not, in fact, "a cabal of crooks and liars." When I read of the history of behavior (and not all on "liberal" websites, I assure you), that's what I see.Jane Ellen+https://www.blogger.com/profile/07930706962327994732noreply@blogger.com