tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post7157309908868583479..comments2023-12-25T23:40:17.701-05:00Comments on Confessions of a Carioca: Bored With the Book of Common Prayer?Daniel Martinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-6301160984742274432011-10-08T20:36:46.616-04:002011-10-08T20:36:46.616-04:00I'm very glad that I live in an area where if ...I'm very glad that I live in an area where if a service is not going to be straight 1979 BCP it's because the priest has added bits of the Latin Mass or has reverted to the 1928 or 1662 BCP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-47690245905136389742011-05-29T22:24:06.569-04:002011-05-29T22:24:06.569-04:00Thanks for this post, which stands in good dialogu...Thanks for this post, which stands in good dialogue with my:<br />http://www.liturgy.co.nz/blog/anglican-worship-chaos/5870<br />http://www.liturgy.co.nz/blog/acedia-noonday-demon/5939<br /><br />Christ is risen!<br /><br />Bosco+liturgyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822769747947139669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-41903229187304535452011-05-29T17:49:08.150-04:002011-05-29T17:49:08.150-04:00Dear Bishop:
You were given that Shepherd's S...Dear Bishop:<br /><br />You were given that Shepherd's Staff for two reasons: to lead the faithful - and to smite the wolves! <br /><br />Had we Bishops driving away "strange and erroneous" doctrine (as they were charged to do) back in the 1960s, the rot that has all but destroyed what used to be America's most respected denomination would have been stopped. <br /><br />Bad bishops led to services which are now indistinguishable from Holy Holler Hootenanny services, not to mention Clown Masses and Folk Masses and "do it yourself" wedding vows and "write your own liturgy for Easter" - all exercises in banality. <br /><br />Please read "Treasure in Clay", the autobiography of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen. You won't go far wrong if you model your episcopacy on his - and you will be able to lead your diocese in a Godly direction. It will strengthen you for the hard days ahead.<br /><br />One of the great things about being an Episcopalian (formerly that is) was that I could go to any church in any city of the nation and walk in and know exactly where we were in the service. "Common Prayer" no longer exists in our parishes. We have lost our patrimony.Kelsonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-22385218108726844912011-05-23T16:44:35.223-04:002011-05-23T16:44:35.223-04:00A wonderful post, Bishop Martins. And what it poin...A wonderful post, Bishop Martins. And what it points to, not so much as the impoverishment of our do-it-yourself worship, is the restlessness of our spirit. It comes back to authority. Do we receive the ancient tradition as an authority that directs us or merely as a shopping cart to which we can add or remove items as the mood takes us? The answer to that makes all the difference.Fr. Jhttp://conciliaranglican.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-89273475876166571242011-05-19T13:43:55.779-04:002011-05-19T13:43:55.779-04:00Excellent points, all around. Increasingly, I am e...Excellent points, all around. Increasingly, I am encountering priests and deacons who know very little about the BCP or liturgical theology, to the point that they literally cannot make it through the Prayer Book service. The attitude seems to be founded on the belief that the individual experience is all that matters, and that all eras before about 1990 were oppressive and benighted.<br /><br />These DIY "services" printed up for each and every occasion have often managed to combine the worst of ignorance with consumerism. They create an experience of "disposability" in worship, often reinforcing the unspoken assumption that worship of God is really a secondary matter as compared to some other agenda or issue. It seems to me that the assumptions of much of the 1979 revision have been forgotten, ignored, or found too difficult... and we are slipping into exactly the sort of hyper-individualized, transient (and thus frequently trivial) worship patterns I saw growing up in the Methodist church.<br /><br />The above commenter is quite possibly correct, however. For a variety of reasons, we seem to be in an era that cannot draw obvious conclusions from observable reality around us—so strong is the ideological “lock.” So, we continue to do the things that erode the very gift we have to give. In the post-Constantinian age, it is not conformity to the blowing winds of culture, but a loving rootedness in the eternally-new Apostolic faith that will survive--and thrive.<br /><br />The above commenter is quite possibly correct, however. For a variety of reasons, we seem to be locked in an era that cannot draw obvious conclusions from observable reality around us. So, we continue to do the things that erode the very gift we have to give. In the post-Constantinian age, it is not conformity to the blowing winds of culture, but a loving rootedness in the eternally-new Apostolic faith that will survive--and thrive.Brandon Filberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06355914204734644026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-70235056068640471372011-05-19T09:29:26.913-04:002011-05-19T09:29:26.913-04:00I absolutely agree with you on this, and my hope i...I absolutely agree with you on this, and my hope is that we will realize and come again to our Tradition - that which has proven itself through centuries, cultures, and trials. All my experience and the demographic data suggests that this is exactly what the unchurched or nearly-churched young people are seeking in these days. <br /><br />I fear, however, that this will not happen until the current leadership of the Church that is too often consumed by and beholden to a 1960's zeitgeist retires out of office. Or, until all the money is gone.Bob Griffithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00461877421816656266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-40423925246683582402011-05-19T08:39:28.612-04:002011-05-19T08:39:28.612-04:00When I'm bored is when I most need the BCP.
...When I'm bored is when I most need the BCP. <br /><br />Also, when one of the primary values of the culture is individual self-created identity and choice, is it any wonder that the temptation to "improve upon" or "individualize" the liturgy is rampant in the church?<br /><br />Thus, you are correct that to be straight prayerbook is incredibly counter-cultural.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18083997696251544933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-34480905448251067932011-05-19T08:39:01.847-04:002011-05-19T08:39:01.847-04:00Over the years I have struggled to dial down my cr...Over the years I have struggled to dial down my critical nature during liturgies in order to try to worship when rubrics are completely disregarded, often through oversight. The one that most often annoys me up is a service of Morning Prayer or Evening Prayer with two lessons, but none from the Old Testament. <b>When more than one Reading is used at an Office, the first is always from the Old Testament (or the Apocrypha).</b> p. 934 <br /><br />BrianInDioSpfdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34346296.post-38944152377297170702011-05-19T02:27:17.227-04:002011-05-19T02:27:17.227-04:00Amen.
When I get bored with the Prayer Book for ...Amen. <br /><br />When I get bored with the Prayer Book for the Daily Office, I move the other direction and use <i>The Anglican Breviary</i>. Why can't our DIY liturgies move up the candle (so-to-speak)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com